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Thursday, September 29th, 2016

HOT STOVEAGE

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The stove is at full blast. Let’s talk about some recent rumors and whatnot.

The Giants are supposedly thinking of trading Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum to Toronto for Alex Rios. That’s who Kenny Williams should have trade Jon Garland for–Rios. Rios is a good player, still young, still some potential upside. As for the Giants, they are nutso if they would trade either of those young arms for Rios.

Speaking of Williams, he was quoted in the paper this morning on the Miggy/D-Train trade and I found it interesting on 2 fronts.

“In some respects, you go, ‘uh-oh,’ ” White Sox general manager Ken Williams said when informed of the reported eight-player trade that brings Cabrera and faded All-Star Dontrelle Willis to Detroit. “In other regards, you go, ‘Good.’ ”

Good?

“One thing that’s difficult when you make a decision like that, one that is made for the short term, is that what you’re trying to do had better work,” Williams said. “If it doesn’t, you’re swimming upstream.”

That statement makes no sense when you consider that Cabrera is only 24 and Willis just 25. It also makes no sense because he just traded a 28-year old starting pitcher for a 33-year old shortstop.

If his offer wasn’t good enough, fine. But trading for those 2 is a long term deal, not a short term. That’s ridiculous. And again I’ll point out that the prospects Detroit gave up are good, but you wonder about their ceilings.

The other deal that really doesn’t make sense for me is the Brewers supposed interest in Scott Rolen. Sure, Ryan Braun had a lot of errors last year–26 in just 112 games–but the rumored offer for Rolen is just wack. They were prepared to trade Capuano, a “top prospect” and foot the bill for all of Rolen’s remaining salary, except the deferred part. Still, they’d be on the hook for $33 million.

Rolen has reached 500 ABs just once in the last 3 years, and it’s apparent to all he is not the same player either offensively or defensively. It’s possible he is now more like David Bell than his former self. And I wouldn’t be so quick to part with a left-handed starter that had 2 really good seasons before taking a step back in 2007. Maybe they realized that too because the talks regarding the deal have been chilled out.

  • Mike O

    I like the Cubs going after Brian Roberts. He needs a change of scenery, and I know he’ll be a great fit for Pinella. I think he would also do well with Theriot, as a mentor and as a DP partner. I think if they give up Marshal in the deal they’ll come out on top.

    If they can land him and Fukudome, I’d walk away from this winter a happy man. There is some talk of Hamilton for Prior, a Cubs Reds deal. I’d like that, too. But that probably means bye to Murton. I think Pie needs more seasoning, so a season of Hamilton in center, with Fukudome and Soriano on the corners sounds good.

  • dhaab

    Yeah, no reason that anyone would want the best fielding 3rd basemen in the game. Capuano isn’t enough, IMO. Rolen may be on the downside and has injury issues, but he’s still a very good player and he helps pitching staffs lower their ERA’s. I know you Chicago guys don’t really appreciate good defense, but it is important to some teams in baseball. ;)

  • http://zonersports.com The Zoner

    Rolen is no longer the best fielding 3rd Baseman in the game. Not in the NL and not even in his division. “but he’s still a very good player and he helps pitching staffs lower their ERA.” The first part is no longer true–which is not to say he couldn’t be again. And the second part is negligible.

    Like I said, at this point he’s David Bell.

    The deal was not just for Capuano, it was said to include a top prospect and they were going to pay all of the $33 million left on his deal. Good luck in finding another suitor to do that.

    Roberts is a good player but they have Fontenot and DeRosa.

  • dhaab

    Oh really. Can you give me actual names to those 3rd basemen who are better fielders than Rolen? Can’t wait to hear this.

    Also, you’re analysis of Rolen, as usual, is jaded in Cardinals hatred. He may have injury issues, but when healthy he’s better than 95% of 3rd basemen in baseball. During the first half of 2006 (the last time he was healthy), his numbers were in line with the rest of his career. And don’t start telling me what the Brewers offered him because none of us really knows. Rumors reported on the internet are just that, not facts.

  • http://zonersports.com The Zoner

    Don’t start telling me he’s healthy or will be healthy then because that is a rumor too. So who are you crappin? The deal I talked about was what Jayson Stark reported. Most likely the Brewers finally came to their senses and backed away.

    Let’s assume he is 100% healthy this year. He will not be better than “95%” of the 3rd Basemen in the game. Miguel Cabrera, David Wright and Alex Rodriguez are all better than Rolen. You could also make the case for Chipper Jones and Aramis Ramirez.

    Your comments, as usual, are draped in Cardinals paranoia and insecurity.

  • Schmidty

    Rolen is on the downslope of his career, and he’s heading down a patch of road that’s at about 80 degree grade covered in ice. He will NEVER be anything near the player he was about three to five years ago.

  • dhaab

    Still didn’t hear see the names of all those 3rd basemen are that are better fielders than Rolen now.
    And if you think any of those names you mentioned are better defensively, you’re smoking something.

    Your entire blog is draped in who are the Cubs going to get in a trade for a group of their middling prospects. (sticking tongue out)

  • Mike O

    dhaab – go soak your head.

  • Schmidty

    Honestly, D, I don’t think there are too many third-basemen that Rolen is BETTER than. His back really limited him range and power. Based on his reputation, he’s one of the best in the game. But based on his health and age now, he’s not. I think that’s why nobody is offering a list of who’s better…it’s just too long. :)

  • dhaab

    Can’t wait for the baseball season to start. Some of you Cubs fans have too much bitter energy for your team to ever overcome. GIVE UP NOW!

    BTW, censorship is illegal! ATTICA!! ATTICA!!!

  • http://zonersports.com The Zoner

    Cubs should give up now? Hey, enjoy Mark Mulder and Kip Wells!

  • dhaab

    Wells isn’t on the Cardinals anymore, Mr. GM wannabe. Get your facts straight before ripping my team! :)

  • Schmidty

    I don’t think it’s Cubs bitter energy. I’m a journalist and can be TOO objective sometimes since I AM a Cubs fan. :) But I’ve watched Rolen a lot since my wife is a Cardinals fan (yes, we need couples therapy often, LOL!) and he’s clearly not the same player he was. He’s way too stiff, pretty characteristic for someone with back problems. He may MAKE every play hit to him, but his range is for crap. I hate to see guys go down because of injuries, so I hope he can recover. But I really don’t think he’s going to be able to at this point in his career. And for what it’s worth, you should be happy Wells is gone. :)

  • dhaab

    Oh, I’m THRILLED Wells is gone. I don’t think the Cards are all that good and it’s obvious the team is in a state of transition right now. Especially with their ace (Carpenter) out for the year. I was shocked that La Russa re-signed and I think he’ll eventually regret it.

    As for Rolen, I don’t think he’s the same player he was a few years ago. I just know that if he’s healthy, he can still be one of the best 3rd baseman in the league and that is why I wouldn’t just trade him away to appease him. They can’t get much for him now anyway.

  • Mike O

    Rolen worked himself out of a job in Philly, and it looks like he’s doing the same in Saint Louie. The guy was a hard nosed player, and the greatest defensively in his prime. But he seems to need a great deal from the management in order to be happy. The Cards need to deal him, even if it only means washing their hands of him. Once he’s in Milwaukee he’ll have two or three decent seasons, if healthy, before Ned Yost says enough is enough.

  • http://zonersports.com The Zoner

    yes he is obviously quite the pain in the rectal region.

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