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Wednesday, June 20th, 2018



A bit more on the Lohse deal, courtesy of Viva El Birdos. This encapsulates my stance on the signing.

“i think it’s a dreadful use of resources; all-star money for an average player. the contract has a chance to pay fair returns in year one, but by year three i think it’s gonna be a mangy dog — the type of deal that makes the team worse, not better; the type of deal everybody bitches about on talk radio. at the very top of his game lohse might be worth $12m a year, but no player is at his peak all the time. he’s never going to give you a $15m season for your $12m — he’s just not that good — but he is very capable of having a $5m year. it’s nearly all downside risk; there’s almost no upside. check out the playoff teams this year; how many mid- to back-end starters are making $10m a year on those teams? i count two: ted lilly (who the cards could have had 2 years ago for less than they’re now gonna pay lohse) and suppan, who had a joel pineiro-like season for the brewers and may not crack their postseason rotation. now look at the crappy teams —- miguel batistas and jarrod washburns and kevin millwoodses and gil meches abound. the 2008 playoffs will be dominated by young, cost-controlled starting pitchers — the dodgers, phillies, rays, angels, and twins / chisox are all trotting at least 2 of them out there. last year’s playoffs were similarly skewed (see the rotations of the rockies, indians, dbacks).”

And you could argue that both Suppan and Lilly were/are better than Lohse anyway; at least career-wise. Plus Lilly is a lefty.

  • dhaab

    Totally disagree with lboros on this one. And anyone who reads the guy knows he NEVER likes free agent deals. Also, he based his opinions on the contract being 4 years for 48 milllion. The deal is actually 4 years for 40 million. Significant difference.

    Plus, lboros claims that most playoff teams have young, quality starters in their rotations and that is how to build a team. Well, that may be true, but the fact is the Cards just don’t have a young, quality arm ready to join their rotation. The one player who could have done that, Jaime Garcia, hurt his elbow in September and is gone until 2010. Add to that the fact that Carpenter has nerve issues in his shoulder and may not be healthy again next season and it’s obvious the Cards HAD to sign someone to fill a rotation spot. This is a solid deal and one they simply were forced to make, considering the alternatives.

    The Cubs signed Lilly, Marquis and Dempster over the past few years and those free agent pitchers all worked out pretty well for them. Funny that a Cubs fan can’t see that.

  • http://zonersports.com The Zoner

    i’m not saying it can’t work out, so don’t put words in my mouth. I just think–like I said about the Carpenter deal–that it wasn’t prudent. And no one is forced to do any deal in September. If he gives them 4 more years like 2008 it will be a great deal. I just don’t see that as being likely. I think you’re in the minority on this one.

    You mention Marquis. His and Lohse’s career numbers are very similar–Marquis’ a bit better. I doubt anyone would be giving him 4 years and 41 million if he was a FA this year.

  • dhaab

    Who’s putting words in your mouth? The Cubs did this same deal 3 years ago with Marquis and his numbers were very similar. Open your eyes, man.

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